Dagorhir Manual of Arms (Core Rules) [Please Read]

[Lord Wilhelm Arngrimsson]

I've seen a lot of zerg rushes to be sure... lol I know for one it was all good when Gylkryst shield bashed Pheonix while he was on one leg.

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Read em

[Jostal]

IF you see someone Bash someone on a leg or from behind, the 4.8.1 bash definition way, remove them from that battle and explain to them the dangers of that kind of behavior. That is extremely unsafe. I witnessed that at rag. The person was legged and a fully armored roman bashed him. One word.. Ambulance...

4.8.1 - A shield bash means using a shield to strike an opponent starting from a distance more than two steps away.

4.8.2 - A shield check means using a shield to strike an opponent starting from a distance two steps away or closer.

4.8.3 - Players may shield bash an opponent on their front or side. Bashing an opponent from the rear is prohibited. Bashing an opponent who has lost a leg is prohibited.

4.8.4 - Players may shield check an opponent from any direction. Players may shield check opponents who have lost a leg.

4.8.5 - It is never permissible to strike a fighter in the head or neck with a shield.

A one step check from any direction can be brutal. If done correctly. Gylkryst is really good at that.. ;p

[Lord Wilhelm Arngrimsson]

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[Thorgeir]

Read them down, but not up because that is crazy

[Lord Wilhelm Arngrimsson]

Crazy like a fox.

[Rúnsær]

common sense supersedes loopholes

1.3.3 – Non-obtrusive footwear (moccasins, earth-tone shoes, boots, sandals, etc.).

I have "special shoes" that I have to wear. My choices are limited to white sneakers (against the rules) and black work boots. I can wear the boots but don't know if they fit the rules either.

1.4.3 - Weapons, shields, garb, and armor may not have clearly mundane logos or prints, nor may be made with fluorescent/neon colors.

Can a cloak have a logo or advert for a person who makes garb if it is not a mundane logo? Did old time tailors mark the clothing they made?

3.3.2 - Leg: From the top of the foot (including ankle) to the torso (below the buttocks).

So to be leg, it has to be below the butt.

3.3.5 - Neck: Off limits to all weapon/shield strikes except yellow and white projectile weapons. NOTE: Neck is unaffected by hits from white projectile weapons.
4.6.1 - Rocks must be at least 4" in diameter

Hit to the head is a kill shot, but neck is no effect. I think this will become a problem. Where is the dividing line and how much of the rock has to be over it?

4.1.10 - Single-edged weapons such as glaives and cutlasses must have their non-striking edge clearly marked with a 12-inch piece of silver or gray tape at least 1 inch wide.

I was told tape was bad, that you could get cut and that is why the cloth covering. Non-striking edge, I get that but I know things happen.

4.2.3 - Blue weapons other than flails may have green stabbing tips or spikes.
4.4.3 - To penetrate armor, a green weapon must be thrust with both hands from the beginning of the thrust until it has connected solidly with the target.

So I can use a blue weapon with a green tip with two hands to penetrate armor?

4.5.3.8 - To better simulate the speed and power of real arrows in flight, the only things which can stop arrows are shields or Dagorhir-legal head armor such as a helmet or coif. Arrows cannot be caught, blocked, deflected, or knocked out of the air by anything else, including hands, feet, weapons, or other equipment. If an arrow is blocked intentionally with anything other than a body part, shield, or head armor, the fighter doing the blocking is dead automatically.

Hmmm, if a fighter did not know this rule ...

4.5.3.9 - Bows may be used to turn aside thrusts without suffering any damage. However, if a bow is hacked or smashed by a red or blue weapon, the bow is considered broken. A healer may heal a bow.

he swings the bow at my sword his bow is OK but if he isn't swinging when I swing his bow is broken?? I think I missed something and I read it 3 times

4.8 - Shield Bashing and Checking:

If they lost a leg, they will be on a knee right? If I try a shield check and they back up does it become a bash if I keep going?

6.10.4 - A Poem of Healing must then be recited or read aloud. The minimum length of a poem of healing is 180 syllables and must be approved at event check-in.

Do I have to make up my own poem or can I "steal" someone else's? I rather like this one by Gorbag:

"This is going to be quite painful to be honest. Not because it has to be, I do have all the tools at my disposal to make this completely painless, but there is no fun in that. No fun for me at least. You see, this is a thankless job, but somebody has got to do it. So I find small pleasures to make it worth my while. Such as making battle hardened warriors like yourself whine and moan like little bitches while I set their bones and stitch their flesh so that they can continue to serve their purpose.

I see the fear and indecision in your eyes. Is it worse to bleed to death here and now or to put yourself in this maniacs hands who will hurt you to heal you just so you can be thrown back to the wolves to be injured again. Well the choice is past, as well as my fun. You are healed."

[Aldvarg Egilsson]

May 22, 2012 9:10:13 GMT -4 Rúnsær said:

common sense supersedes loopholes

1.3.3 – Non-obtrusive footwear (moccasins, earth-tone shoes, boots, sandals, etc.).

I have "special shoes" that I have to wear. My choices are limited to white sneakers (against the rules) and black work boots. I can wear the boots but don't know if they fit the rules either.

1.4.3 - Weapons, shields, garb, and armor may not have clearly mundane logos or prints, nor may be made with fluorescent/neon colors.

Can a cloak have a logo or advert for a person who makes garb if it is not a mundane logo? Did old time tailors mark the clothing they made?

3.3.2 - Leg: From the top of the foot (including ankle) to the torso (below the buttocks).

So to be leg, it has to be below the butt.

3.3.5 - Neck: Off limits to all weapon/shield strikes except yellow and white projectile weapons. NOTE: Neck is unaffected by hits from white projectile weapons.
4.6.1 - Rocks must be at least 4" in diameter

Hit to the head is a kill shot, but neck is no effect. I think this will become a problem. Where is the dividing line and how much of the rock has to be over it?

4.1.10 - Single-edged weapons such as glaives and cutlasses must have their non-striking edge clearly marked with a 12-inch piece of silver or gray tape at least 1 inch wide.

I was told tape was bad, that you could get cut and that is why the cloth covering. Non-striking edge, I get that but I know things happen.

4.2.3 - Blue weapons other than flails may have green stabbing tips or spikes.
4.4.3 - To penetrate armor, a green weapon must be thrust with both hands from the beginning of the thrust until it has connected solidly with the target.

So I can use a blue weapon with a green tip with two hands to penetrate armor?

4.5.3.8 - To better simulate the speed and power of real arrows in flight, the only things which can stop arrows are shields or Dagorhir-legal head armor such as a helmet or coif. Arrows cannot be caught, blocked, deflected, or knocked out of the air by anything else, including hands, feet, weapons, or other equipment. If an arrow is blocked intentionally with anything other than a body part, shield, or head armor, the fighter doing the blocking is dead automatically.

Hmmm, if a fighter did not know this rule ...

4.5.3.9 - Bows may be used to turn aside thrusts without suffering any damage. However, if a bow is hacked or smashed by a red or blue weapon, the bow is considered broken. A healer may heal a bow.

he swings the bow at my sword his bow is OK but if he isn't swinging when I swing his bow is broken?? I think I missed something and I read it 3 times

4.8 - Shield Bashing and Checking:

If they lost a leg, they will be on a knee right? If I try a shield check and they back up does it become a bash if I keep going?

6.10.4 - A Poem of Healing must then be recited or read aloud. The minimum length of a poem of healing is 180 syllables and must be approved at event check-in.

Do I have to make up my own poem or can I "steal" someone else's? I rather like this one by Gorbag:

"This is going to be quite painful to be honest. Not because it has to be, I do have all the tools at my disposal to make this completely painless, but there is no fun in that. No fun for me at least. You see, this is a thankless job, but somebody has got to do it. So I find small pleasures to make it worth my while. Such as making battle hardened warriors like yourself whine and moan like little bitches while I set their bones and stitch their flesh so that they can continue to serve their purpose.

I see the fear and indecision in your eyes. Is it worse to bleed to death here and now or to put yourself in this maniacs hands who will hurt you to heal you just so you can be thrown back to the wolves to be injured again. Well the choice is past, as well as my fun. You are healed."

Your black boots should be fine as long as there are no logos or patterns on them.

The cloak could have a logo or design on it, just not something obviously modern.

Go by the tidy whitey rule of thumb. If it hits above your underwear line it's butt and you die. If bellow the "pantie" line its leg.

Rocks=This could be an issue but the "victim" should use good honor and take what they "feel". If you are in doubt just take the death.

Taped edge= Not sure how to answer this. That's how its always been done. No tape on striking surface and duct tape on the back or non striking surface.

Any two handed green will penetrate armor. Including a blue with green tip. A dagger with two hands also will go through armor.

Archery= These rules are also for safety. If and arrow was deflected and the nock end hit someone in the eye really bad bad things could happen.

Bows= You can't swing your bow at anyone at any time. If a sword is swung and you block with you bow, the bow is consider "broken". If someone stabs at you you could deflect the blow and your bow would be ok.

Shield bashing/checking can be tricky with legged warriors. A shield bash is greater than two steps and is illegal against a legged foe. A check is from less than two steps. And the legged fighter must be facing you. You can't hit a legged fighter from the back. If they are legged they are probably not going to back up very fast.

You can use your own poem as long as it totals 180 syllables. You can use someone elses or there is a sample one on the Dagorhir national boards.

[Rúnsær]

To be clear, I was showing that I had indeed read the rules by discussing so much. Some of what I brought up I had seen commented on in other places and argued about, others I just found interesting because I would not rule the same way.

>>Go by the tidy whitey rule of thumb. If it hits above your underwear line it's butt and you die. If bellow the "pantie" line its leg.
-Yes, that seems to be what the rule was saying, underwear is torso for hits.

>>Rocks=This could be an issue but the "victim" should use good honor and take what they "feel". If you are in doubt just take the death.
- sounds good

>>Taped edge= Not sure how to answer this. That's how its always been done. No tape on striking surface and duct tape on the back or non striking surface.
-nothing to answer, I was just commenting but the "that's the way we always did it" is never much of an answer anyway.

>>Any two handed green will penetrate armor. Including a blue with green tip. A dagger with two hands also will go through armor.
-I mentioned this because as a newbie, my thought was that blue wepons were somehow weaker than red

>>Archery= These rules are also for safety. If and arrow was deflected and the nock end hit someone in the eye really bad bad things could happen.
-Yes I get that, I was thinking at slower speeds I might be tempted to knock an arrow out of the way or even try to catch it, but the rule states I would automaticly die if I did. So good to know that rule and I have to wonder if anyone else did not know it. I have not seen an archer yet, but if my first introduction was during combat, it is a rule I need to know, newbie or not and I am not the only newbie.

>>Bows= You can't swing your bow at anyone at any time. If a sword is swung and you block with you bow, the bow is consider "broken". If someone stabs at you you could deflect the blow and your bow would be ok.
-That is what I was missing, turn aside a THRUST not a swing or a bash. Thanks for the clarification.

>>Shield bashing/checking can be tricky with legged warriors. A shield bash is greater than two steps and is illegal against a legged foe. A check is from less than two steps. And the legged fighter must be facing you. You can't hit a legged fighter from the back. If they are legged they are probably not going to back up very fast.
-Well the difference between a bash and a check could be one step. The legged foe could pull back that far. It was just something I could see being argued about or at least discussed.

>>You can use your own poem as long as it totals 180 syllables. You can use someone elses or there is a sample one on the Dagorhir national boards.
-Ah but do I have to get permission to use the someone elses? In a battle could it come up - "hey their team used MY healing poem"? Is everything on all the boards free information to use? I really don't want to step on toes. The thread I found it in they were discussing the poems and the merits of them. I will log into his forum and ask, because now I feel I have to. himhttp://www.dagorhir.com/forums/index.php/topic,21023.msg441076.html#msg441076

[Lord Wilhelm Arngrimsson]

May 22, 2012 9:10:13 GMT -4 Rúnsær said:

common sense supersedes loopholes

1.3.3 – Non-obtrusive footwear (moccasins, earth-tone shoes, boots, sandals, etc.).

I have "special shoes" that I have to wear. My choices are limited to white sneakers (against the rules) and black work boots. I can wear the boots but don't know if they fit the rules either.

Black work boots sound good enough to me. Any logos on them can be covered easy enough!

May 22, 2012 9:10:13 GMT -4 Rúnsær said:

1.4.3 - Weapons, shields, garb, and armor may not have clearly mundane logos or prints, nor may be made with fluorescent/neon colors.

Can a cloak have a logo or advert for a person who makes garb if it is not a mundane logo? Did old time tailors mark the clothing they made?

As long as it isn't apparently mundane, like some sort of a sigil would be fine. Almost all garb makers I know do not do anything like that though.

May 22, 2012 9:10:13 GMT -4 Rúnsær said:

3.3.2 - Leg: From the top of the foot (including ankle) to the torso (below the buttocks).

So to be leg, it has to be below the butt.

Yep. Butt = Death.

May 22, 2012 9:10:13 GMT -4 Rúnsær said:

3.3.5 - Neck: Off limits to all weapon/shield strikes except yellow and white projectile weapons. NOTE: Neck is unaffected by hits from white projectile weapons.
4.6.1 - Rocks must be at least 4" in diameter

Hit to the head is a kill shot, but neck is no effect. I think this will become a problem. Where is the dividing line and how much of the rock has to be over it?

Quite frankly, this is one of those rules that is just overlooked. Anyone I know who takes an arrow to the throat takes death, rocks, eh... not so much. It's one of those things that just naturally happens. You'll understand.

May 22, 2012 9:10:13 GMT -4 Rúnsær said:

4.1.10 - Single-edged weapons such as glaives and cutlasses must have their non-striking edge clearly marked with a 12-inch piece of silver or gray tape at least 1 inch wide.

I was told tape was bad, that you could get cut and that is why the cloth covering. Non-striking edge, I get that but I know things happen.

Again, not an issue. So long as tape isn't ON the striking surface, it's not an issue, and has never been an issue. The issue with tape on the striking surface isn't cutting, so much as it is slapping and stinging and hitting too hard.

May 22, 2012 9:10:13 GMT -4 Rúnsær said:

4.2.3 - Blue weapons other than flails may have green stabbing tips or spikes.
4.4.3 - To penetrate armor, a green weapon must be thrust with both hands from the beginning of the thrust until it has connected solidly with the target.

So I can use a blue weapon with a green tip with two hands to penetrate armor?

Yes. But the hands must both be firmly on the weapon from beginning to end of thrust, no "Pool cueing", or sliding it between the grip of the forward hand.

May 22, 2012 9:10:13 GMT -4 Rúnsær said:

4.5.3.8 - To better simulate the speed and power of real arrows in flight, the only things which can stop arrows are shields or Dagorhir-legal head armor such as a helmet or coif. Arrows cannot be caught, blocked, deflected, or knocked out of the air by anything else, including hands, feet, weapons, or other equipment. If an arrow is blocked intentionally with anything other than a body part, shield, or head armor, the fighter doing the blocking is dead automatically.

Hmmm, if a fighter did not know this rule ...

If there are arrows on the field, they'll know it. That's what the MOA is there for, and when we have new people show up to an environment where they are used, we let them know. The BBQ is a no-ranged weapon zone though, so it never comes up.

May 22, 2012 9:10:13 GMT -4 Rúnsær said:

4.5.3.9 - Bows may be used to turn aside thrusts without suffering any damage. However, if a bow is hacked or smashed by a red or blue weapon, the bow is considered broken. A healer may heal a bow.

he swings the bow at my sword his bow is OK but if he isn't swinging when I swing his bow is broken?? I think I missed something and I read it 3 times

Bows are not swung. Period. This is unsafe and will be reprimanded. It's wierdly worded, I'll give you that. This is the matter:
THRUSTS don't damage bows. SWINGS do. Swings meaning Blue/Red.

May 22, 2012 9:10:13 GMT -4 Rúnsær said:

4.8 - Shield Bashing and Checking:

If they lost a leg, they will be on a knee right? If I try a shield check and they back up does it become a bash if I keep going?

This is another one of those things that after being on the field long enough for it to matter, it just... is.

There probably isn't a situation in which someone could backtrack fast enough to turn your check into a bash, since bash = more than three solid strides.

May 22, 2012 9:10:13 GMT -4 Rúnsær said:

6.10.4 - A Poem of Healing must then be recited or read aloud. The minimum length of a poem of healing is 180 syllables and must be approved at event check-in.

Do I have to make up my own poem or can I "steal" someone else's? I rather like this one by Gorbag:

As long as it fits the syllables, you're golden. Pheonix from Imperial Guard uses the first 180 syllables of "Baby Got Back".