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Post by Aldvarg Egilsson on Sept 5, 2011 19:16:55 GMT -4
I agree with re-checking weapons. The foam does break down and things wear out. Catching a weapon wearing out is better than finding out when it is wore out and a core stabs someone. I believe we all (or at least most) have been slacking here.
Having a grace period is better than case by case scenario. Simply because the argument will be: so and so only had to wait 2 weeks and I have to wait 8 blah blah, whine whine. And the Newb gets to learn the bread and butter before the support/dangerous weapons. The mass and force of a blue is less than that of a red and because of the there IS LESS potential for injury.
But we HAVE to have some kind of proving system. If one of our more frail members gets hit like Will or I got hit, well I don't want to imagine how much worse it could have been. But you can see where I am going with this. The point is we should head this off now rather than seeing a more serious injury.
Head shots are going to happen. Injuries ARE going to happen. We need to stay proactive to help keep this to a minimum. I believe this is what Will is trying to do.
I don't think that people are complaining about ducking into a head shot. I am not, I have earned some of those and hold no ill will against any one who has hit me. I don't hold ill will for the ones that are NOT my fault either. But in the last couple months head shots have gone up ALLOT. Something MUST be done.
Punishment for doing wrong has some merit, however it still doesn't teach proper technique and control of the weapon in the first place. I think that during your "training period" you should still spar with a "trainer". Just not be allowed hit the field and turned loose until you have been proven.
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Post by Lord Wilhelm Arngrimsson on Sept 5, 2011 19:25:45 GMT -4
Hmmm good call. Those who want to use restricted weapons are free to do so, but not in mass-combat scenarios when things are so hectic and hard to control.
So, between that, Scheduled weapons checking, Restricted weapon instruction, any other ideas?
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Post by Raven on Sept 5, 2011 21:41:04 GMT -4
Ok, my turn... I agree with Wil's last. Sorry I wasn't there at the last pracctice (out-of-town...). Let's get moving ASAP on making this official. As a further note, let's mention courtesy and concern: Someone wise told me "If you injure someone badly enough that they have to leave the field, you should be leaving the field with them>" Accidental or otherwise, these things will happen. We need to have enough courtesy and respect for each other to make sure a person is at least alright before we go on our merry way. This to me is more important than a "punishment" of push-ups or whatever: It's the honorable thing to do...
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Post by Aldvarg Egilsson on Sept 5, 2011 23:31:37 GMT -4
I would like to add that reading the rules should be mandatory too. I'll explain the same thing over and over for a few weeks in a row but after about 4 I am likely to just give up on ya. More than once,even the vets question each other. Maybe we should have a couple hard copies around for reference and teaching? There were a few things changed at Rag war council and not everyone is 100% up to speed with the new changes. I will also add that I am more than willing to help Wilhelm and/or Raven do what it takes to put the new safety measures in place once they are decided upon.
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Post by Aldvarg Egilsson on Sept 5, 2011 23:50:47 GMT -4
Oh, and there should be some sort of first aid kit at practice. I am sorry for all the walls of post, I will shut up for a while now.
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Post by Rhiannon StarFire on Sept 6, 2011 3:55:21 GMT -4
Okay so my question is what happens when you have an exception to the rule like Draengr who could totally clean house with a red the first day? Does that person still have to go through the grace period because the people stuck doing it are going to complain? That crappy dude. There are always going to be exceptions. Every single time (and I do mean EVERY TIME) we've make a blanket policy like that one an exception shows up just in time to make us say "Dammit! What now?" lol Oh, and there should be some sort of first aid kit at practice. Yes, for the love of God, we need a well equipped first aid kit. That would be a good item for NMC funds to go toward being that it would serve the whole realm. Someone who regularly attends practice should hang on to it. I would nominate Yngvin or Wilhelm seeing as how they make the most practices. Not only that but since they share a dag closet if one cannot attend the other can grab it. As a further note, let's mention courtesy and concern: Someone wise told me "If you injure someone badly enough that they have to leave the field, you should be leaving the field with them>" Accidental or otherwise, these things will happen. We need to have enough courtesy and respect for each other to make sure a person is at least alright before we go on our merry way. This to me is more important than a "punishment" of push-ups or whatever: It's the honorable thing to do... So far as I've seen with our guys if someone is seriously hurt hold is called, the person is checked on, helped off the field as needed, and play resumes. We've never really had an issue with people just fighting over an injured person unless that person doesn't say anything.
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Post by Lord Wilhelm Arngrimsson on Sept 6, 2011 4:00:35 GMT -4
I think the thing about "exceptions" would be handled simply by having a sort of test or acknowledgement by a veteran of the sport, as in someone who's been doing dag for 2+ years and has been to several events. These people for the most part know what to look for, so I think that, as I said, a few duels or small fighting scenarios with the weapon in question, and generally a veteran will have a good eye for if you are using said weapon in a safe manner. Bows, well, bows should follow the Ragnarok standard, and anyone who wants to pick one up should have to follow a full instruction by a seasoned bow user, or have shown past experience with a bow in the setting.
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Post by Rannulfr Blandasson on Sept 6, 2011 8:22:29 GMT -4
I have abstained from voting, but I wish to reply anyway. I don't totally disagree with the idea of some sort of restriction, as long as there are clear, concise lines to it. I feel that if this is going to happen it has to be a set-in-stone realm rule, or it's going to be more of a problem than a solution. With that being said, the difficult part for me to get behind is where these lines are drawn. Is it just red swords, or red polearms too? What about spears? And if there is a restriction on archery, will there be one on javelins since they follow the same basic rules? It sucks hard to see anyone get hurt, but I believe we'll get farther as a group if we push more training and education/technique than we will with rules that we have no intention of enforcing uniformly from the beginning.
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Post by Raven on Sept 6, 2011 13:05:22 GMT -4
The solution then becomes to have some sort of proficiency testing with any/all weapons (not the proficiency rankings...). Eliminate the time period all together if you want, but don't let someone do anything but spar/train until they are proficient with whatever the weapon...
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Post by Lord Wilhelm Arngrimsson on Sept 6, 2011 15:10:28 GMT -4
Rannulf, to answer your questions, the restrictions as they work in the whole of Dagorhir are red weapons in general, and bows.
Any reds because of the mass and force behind your standard 2 handed weapon, and bows because of mainly the issue of draw strength and arrow core. if you get hit by a thrown javvie straight on core, you're going to have a bad day, sure, but proper javvy cores are pretty lightweight and non-rigid... but if someone full-strength fires an arrow at you and you get core, chances are you're going to the hospital, in the very least.
Spears are about as bad headshots as blues, since it's impossibly to get that straight-on full power swing behind it, and if you're doing that you deserve a kick in the jewels for swinging a green. Any spear and javvy issue can be addressed right at the "Is this weapon built correctly" phase.
So really, the safety issue is in how a weapon is meant to be used. Reds are two-handed full-strength swinging weapons, needing a strong skill of control in order to keep to legal hit zones. Bows are, well, bows; mechanisms meant to propel an object THROUGH another object.
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Post by Aldvarg Egilsson on Sept 6, 2011 18:17:44 GMT -4
I have officially changed my stand from waiting a certain amount of time, to going through a training period in case I have not been clear enough in my past posts. It might take 15 minutes it might take 15 weeks, but the new user must be certified before being turned loose! We have to set some sort of guideline, what we have now doesn't work. If we do nothing right now the next injury is on OUR head. (no pun intended )
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Post by Lord Wilhelm Arngrimsson on Sept 8, 2011 22:15:07 GMT -4
Idea.
We designate from our veterans so-called "Weapon Masters" who've been using certain weapons for a long time, and show good proficiency. Once said masters are identified, when a new person wants to use a certain weapon type, they go to one of these Weapon Masters to get proper form and instruction, and it is that person's duty to make sure the new person can safely and correctly wield the weapon.
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Post by Aldvarg Egilsson on Sept 8, 2011 23:11:07 GMT -4
Sounds great.
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Post by Raven on Sept 8, 2011 23:34:03 GMT -4
Hmm, not bad,not bad. Think we're getting somewhere...
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Post by Rhiannon StarFire on Sept 9, 2011 8:21:24 GMT -4
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